Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)

Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
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06/29/08 - VCDL Update 6/29/08 - Part 2

FFL and not be in the business of dealing firearms. ************************************************** 10. Five people dead in Henderson, KY, plant shooting ************************************************** Many companies don't allow employees to have a gun at work, even in the parking lot. With such a policy, no one can stop a murderer and everyone must try to survive until either the police show up or the murderer wears himself out and commits suicide. It is not clear what the policy of this business was in reference to employees being armed: <http://tinyurl.com/65fj69> KY gunman argued with boss over phone, goggles By RYAN LENZ, Associated Press Writer Wed Jun 25 A 25-year-old press operator shot and killed five co-workers and himself at a plastics plant in rural western Kentucky just hours after = arguing with his supervisor about not wearing safety goggles and using = his cell phone while on the assembly line, police said Wednesday. Authorities said Wesley N. Higdon of Henderson was so riled by the argument with his supervisor that he called his girlfriend and told her that he wanted to kill his boss. The girlfriend didn't warn anyone, police said, and just two hours later, Higdon argued with another co-worker then shot and killed his supervisor as they walked outside. Then, he returned and shot at co-workers in a break room and on the plant floor. A man who called 911 frantically described the violent scene to a dispatcher, tallying up the number of dead around him. "There's more than two people dead. There's like one, two, three, four, five people dead," the man said. "The supervisor is dead, too." Authorities said Higdon was known to keep a .45-caliber pistol in his car, which is not illegal in Kentucky. The first shooting took place as the supervisor was escorting him from = the building. Other co-workers were shot in the break room and on the plant floor. One worker was injured and was being treated in the critical care unit at St. Mary's Hospital and Medical Center in Evansville, Ind. "He just walked in, looked like he meant business and started shooting = at everybody," Henderson Police Sgt. John Nevels said at a news conference. The killings stunned the Ohio River town of about 28,000 people, where = a local leader said many residents know or are related to a worker at the plant. The plant, operated by Atlanta-based Atlantis plastics, employs about 160 people and makes parts for refrigerators and plastic = siding for homes. Henderson County Coroner Bruce Farmer identified the supervisor as Kevin G. Taylor, 30, of Dixon. The slain co-workers were Trisha Mirelez, 25, Rachael Vasquez, 26, and Joshua Hinojosa, 28, all of Sebree; and Israel Monroy, 29, of Henderson. The hospitalized survivor = was identified as Monroy's sister, Noelia Monroy. "Our whole community is in shock," Henderson County Judge-Executive Sandy Watkins said. The plant sent employees home Wednesday, but the company said that it hoped to resume limited operations at night. Atlantis Plastics CEO Bud = Philbrook told The Associated Press that the company was reeling. "It's just total shock. It's something you read about in the paper," Philbrook said. Investigators were trying to piece together the timing of the shooting = spree. Philbrook said that Higdon didn't appear to have any previous disciplinary problems at the plant. Four of the victims were members of St. Michael's Catholic Church in Sebree, Ky., said the Rev. Jason McClure, who had spent much of the morning with the victims' families. "They are very upset and hurting deeply and just trying to figure out what to do next," McClure said. Atlantis Plastics said on its Web site that it is a leading U.S. manufacturer of three kinds of products: polyethylene stretch films for wrapping pallets of materials, custom films for industrial and packaging uses and molded plastic pieces used in products such as appliances and recreational vehicles. The company has annual sales of $110 million, according to business directory Hoovers. "This is a devastating loss to this community which we have been a part of for more than 40 years," Philbrook said in a statement late Wednesday. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and we will work with them to provide our help and support." Associated Press writers Harry Weber in Atlanta and Bruce Schreiner and Rebecca Yonker in Louisville contributed to this report. ************************************************** 11. New Jersey gun rationing bill targets victims, interferes with law enforcement ************************************************** This is amazing. A NEW JERSEY court has struck down a One Gun A Month law based on the fact that such laws don't reduce crime!!!!!!!! <http://tinyurl.com/5lhx9o> by Scott L. Bach, Esq. June 22, 2008 NJ Voices A New Jersey Court recently pronounced: "There is no rational relationship between restricting the number of guns that a licensed gun dealer and a licensed gun owner can transact per month and the frequency of illegal gun possession and crime." In so holding, the Court voided a local ordinance that rationed firearms specifically to law abiding citizens pre-certified by the State as having no criminal or mental health record after passing a 13- point background investigation. Trying to reduce gun crime by rationing firearms to law abiding citizens is a little like trying to reduce stabbings by rationing steak knives to restaurant goers, which is why the Court found the ordinance to be irrational. The criminal misuse of any lawful product is not a function of the number of units sold to honest citizens; it's = a function of how effectively society deals with those who misuse them Despite judicial recognition of the fallacy of gun rationing, gun ban extremist group CeaseFire NJ, embarrassed by its loss at the local level, is now pushing for passage of statewide gun rationing in the form of Assembly Bill A339, misleadingly citing statistics to buoy their latest whopper -- that handguns bought by law abiding citizens from New Jersey licensed dealers are significantly involved in crime and illegal trafficking. Obtaining a permit to purchase a handgun in New Jersey is a lengthy, intrusive, expensive and complicated process. The absurd notion that criminals voluntarily subject themselves to police fingerprinting, invasive background checks, licensing fees, and months of delays, only = to then turn around and illegally sell the guns registered to them on the street, strains reason and credibility. Yet that's precisely the fairy tale that CeaseFire and its gun grabbing director Bryan Miller are peddling to the legislature on A339, deceptively citing BATFE gun tracing statistics to "prove" that large quantities of legally purchased guns are used in crime. What they conveniently forget to mention is that a large percentage of the traced guns have nothing whatsoever to do with criminal activity, but they are given the label "crime gun" nevertheless, because of a BATFE database requirement that all traced firearms must first be given a descriptive code before they can be entered into the system, and the only available codes happen to carry the designation "crime" in their name, regardless of whether the traced firearms were actually involved = in crime. The so called "crime guns" misleadingly cited by CeaseFire include firearms recovered after house fires, floods, and other natural disasters, firearms recovered from gun buy-back programs, firearms surrendered by the spouses of deceased gun owners, firearms identified = during routine inspections of licensed dealer books and records, firearms seized by court order, and lost or stolen firearms that are later recovered, all of which have to be booked as "crime guns" before = they can be traced. The last time I checked, a gun recovered after a house fire is not a crime gun, and its listing in a BATFE statistic proves nothing except that it was the subject of a trace. The fact that it was assigned a "crime code" in order to initiate a trace does not mean it was involved in crime, except to extremists like CeaseFire and Miller, who = need to stoop to petty deception and misdirection to trick public officials into supporting their agenda. Similarly misleading is CeaseFire's suggestion that A339 would disrupt = illegal gun trafficking. Rationing guns to law abiding citizens would not only fail to impact illegal gun trafficking (already a felony for which no new laws are needed), but it would actually interfere with law enforcement monitoring of bulk gun sales by thwarting the reporting of multiple handgun purchases to authorities currently mandated by federal law. In what universe does a scheme like that do anything to reduce gun trafficking? Gun rationing was passed several years ago in South Carolina but was subsequently repealed when BATFE statistics showed that illegal trafficking was not impacted. Gun rationing was similarly shown to be ineffective in Virginia, where it had the effect of disarming victims rather than the criminals it purported to restrict. It is as unsound in theory as it has been in practice in the few states that have been bamboozled into passing it. New Jersey's version of gun rationing, A339, is particularly offensive = to honest gun owners, who already submit to months of invasive government scrutiny before being certified by the State as "acceptable" to own firearms. A339 goes even further, essentially telling them that they are the ones responsible for gun crime, and that the solution, rather than aggressive prosecution of criminals, is = to further restrict their rights. Only in New Jersey... ************************************************** 12. Salt Lake Tribune: Time to grow up and put your guns away ************************************************** Springwood, a professor at Illinois Wesleyan University is quoted in the editorial column, "Do we want a society in which it is an unconscious emblem of everyday life that folks move about with 'portable killing machines' strapped to their bodies?" I wonder if Charles Springwood realizes that he has a portable raping machine attached to HIS body. Lucky for him (er, and me) it is an "unconscious emblem of everyday life," too. <http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9662672> By Rebecca Walsh Tribune Columnist Salt Lake Tribune 06/22/2008 My 20-month-old nephew loves Elmo and Dora. He also has started making = explosion and gunfire noises. I get the inevitability of little boys' = fascination with guns. What I can't figure out are the men and sometimes women who don't grow out of the gun-crazy stage of childhood, who need to have a handgun on their hips at all times, who need their neighbors to notice. Ten of them stormed the West Valley City Council meeting last week to back up Travis Deveraux, a 36-year-old credit card company worker, who = was detained by police in December while exercising with his Smith & Wesson. "I don't blame them for being a little bit extra careful," Deveraux said. "But there's a line they crossed between being a little bit careful and a little bit too careful." I thought there was no such thing as "too careful" - especially with a = gun. But the OpenCarry crowd's literal interpretation of the "right to = bear arms" and self-appointment as our "well-regulated militia" undercuts careful law enforcement, membership in a civil society and even reason. It's in the Constitution, their thinking goes. They are "peaceably going about their business while armed," standing on the watchtower, the last line of defense against government tyranny and crazed criminals. We should thank them. I understand the thrill of firing a Glock (I've done it), the euphoria = of hitting the center of a target (and that, too), generations of family deer-hunting weekends and the legitimate self-preservation instincts of Utah's elected concealed weapon carriers. But the OpenCarry movement is a mystery to me. What kind of psychology = - overcompensation, paranoia, antisocial personality - is behind that thinking? Steven Gunn, an attorney and board member of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah, believes it's pure ego. "We have inconsiderate boors walking around on the street carrying firearms openly," says Gunn. "I don't think they are truly afraid for their safety. Most of them are trying to make a statement about the Second Amendment." Anthropologist Charles Springwood says open carriers are trying to "naturalize the presence of guns, which means that guns become ordinary, omnipresent and expected. Over time, the gun becomes a symbol of ordinary personhood." OpenCarry.org, run by two Virginia gun lovers, claims 4,000 members nationwide. According to the Legal Community Against Violence in San Francisco, just seven states prohibit packing in public and eight restrict carrying handguns openly without a permit. Utah's OpenCarry activists put on a show for the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago, trying to appear warm and fuzzy, shopping at Costco, just like you and me - but with their handguns flapping in the breeze. = They meet once a month at restaurants like Denny's and Sweet Tomatoes to socialize. "We don't want to show up and say, 'Hey, we're here, we're armed, get used to it,' " Kevin Jensen told the Times reporter. But that's just what the showdown in West Valley City was about. The cowed mayor and City Council members referred the case to the officers' professional standards review board. Police are struggling to strike a balance between gun owners' rights and those of the rest of us. "There has to be some common sense on their part, too; they have to take into consideration the concern that they cause other citizens," says Layton Police Chief Terry Keefe. "I do not walk around when I'm off-duty with a weapon displayed." Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank would rather gun owners get concealed weapon permits than carry openly. "In light of Trolley Square, mall shootings, school shootings, anyone walking around with a gun potentially creates a lot of phone calls for = us," Burbank says. "How do you expect an officer to deal with that - other than to point a gun at them and go through the process [of elimination]? There's no other way to make that determination safely without putting officers at risk." Utah lawmakers set up this stalemate when they wrote the state's anything-goes concealed weapon law. They deliberately left open a loophole for those who carry their guns out in the open. Under Utah law, open carriers must be 18 years old and keep their bullets out of the chamber. That's it. No training, no background check required. "Second Amendment questions aside," says Springwood, a professor at Illinois Wesleyan University, "the real debate seems to me a cultural and social one: Do we want a society in which it is an unconscious emblem of everyday life that folks move about with 'portable killing machines' strapped to their bodies?" Legislators already have made that decision for us; we're living in the modern heart of the wild, wild West. walsh*sltrib.com ************************************************** 13. LTE: Cherry picking [statistics] does not reach the truth ************************************************** <http://tinyurl.com/56ugcn> Marvin Marin, Dumfries Published: June 26, 2008 NoVA.com This letter is in response to Mr. Jacobsen's column on June 24 regarding the Violence Policy Center's statistics regarding gun violence in Hawaii. Reading the article any person would see those numbers and instantly jump to the conclusion that Mr. Jacobsen is right. However, Mr. Jacobsen has mistakenly believed the statistics cherry picked by the Violence Policy Center and did not research the numbers himself. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has an interactive application located at http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortr= ate10_sy.html that allows you to query their database to determine deaths in the United States based on several factors. It's the same data that the VDC used. If you make the following selections: homicide, firearm, and state under "select output group(s)," and keep the rest of the default settings, you will get a more accurate representation of reality. The most restrictive "state" in the union in terms of firearm laws has = the highest incidence of murders by firearm per capita. You guessed it, Washington, D.C. =F3 not Louisiana. Now, Hawaii (0.39) does have the smallest per capita rate of homicide by firearms just as the VPC reported. However, the rates for other states drop dramatically. North Dakota (0.47), Maine (0.61) and New Hampshire (0.61) are statistically very close to the rates of Hawaii. In addition, Maine and New Hampshire have equivalent populations all without the unconstitutional restrictions in place in Hawaii. How did the numbers differ? The VPC included deaths attributed to self-defense, law enforcement shootings and suicides. If you're going to have a fair, balanced and logical debate on firearms, let's at least use the right figures. In closing, I hope that you go to the CDC's Web site and check the numbers yourself. I also ask all my fellow Virginians to carry their firearms openly, proudly and responsibly. A right unused is a right that both the VPC and Mr. Jacobsen want to take away from you. ************************************************** 14. News Tribune of Tacoma, WA: Argument for concealed weapons in parks isn't convincing ************************************************** VCDL member Lindsay Trittipoe is quoted: <http://tinyurl.com/4czsm8> Tacoma, WA - June 26, 2008 JEFFERY P. MAYOR; THE NEWS TRIBUNE Monday was the deadline for the public to comment on the proposal to allow concealed guns to be carried in national parks and wildlife refuges. I'm sure the debate will last much longer. On April 30, the Department of the Interior proposed changing current regulations to allow people to carry a concealed firearm in a national = park or wildlife refuge if the individual is permitted to carry a concealed weapon and is authorized to do so on similar state lands in the state in which the park or refuge is located. It will be at least several weeks after the comment deadline before a decision is announced, said Chris Paolino, a department spokesman. People on both sides have been sending the department their thoughts. Among them is Lawrence A. Lang of Port Angeles. He was a law enforcement officer with the National Park Service for more than 30 years. "National Park areas are clearly safer because of regulations and enforcement on possession and use of firearms. There are no grounds to = believe that allowing the general public to carry firearms will in any = way provide general improvement of public safety within National Parks," he wrote. On the other side is Lindsay Trittipoe of Richmond, Va., a member of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. "I have a concealed weapons permit for the personal protection for myself and my family. I would like to take my family hiking in national parks, but think it is insane to do so without personal protection. - If it was strictly my decision, I would allow both open carry of firearms in all federal national parks and refuges, period," Trittipoe wrote. From my viewpoint, there is no need to change the existing law. Among their arguments for change, proponents say visitors should be allowed to protect themselves and their families. Proponents want you to believe that violent crime is a problem in national parks. It's just not true, based on the FBI's Uniform Crime Report. In 2006, there were 1.65 violent crimes per 100,000 national parks visitors. At Mount Rainier National Park, the rate is miniscule 0.42 per 100,000. Compare those to Tacoma's rate of 1,041 violent crimes per 100,000 people. I'm much more wary driving through parts of = town than I ever am walking a trail at Mount Rainier National Park. Backers of the change also say the rules should be consistent for all federal lands to eliminate confusion for gun owners. The rules are pretty clear cut right now. Guns can be carried on national forest land. They aren't allowed on park or refuge land unless the weapon is broken down or not easily accessible. That seems quite straightforward. A follow-up statement from proponents is that it's difficult to know when you are on national forest or national park land. How is it any less confusing than having to know the guns laws for different states when a park extends beyond a single state's border. Would it not be equally confusing to be in Yellowstone National Park that spreads across Wyoming, Idaho and Montana where the gun laws might differ? Having watched this debate and listened to people from both sides, I fail to see the need to change the rules at this time. Jeffrey P. Mayor: 253-597-8640 jeff.mayor*thenewstribune.com ************************************************** 15. Gun shows and events! ************************************************** An all volunteer organization, VCDL depends on YOU to volunteer your time at our area events, where we recruit new activists and keep gun owners informed. No experience necessary; if it's your first time we'll pair you with a veteran volunteer. To find out more about helping at our gun show tables, go to: http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/gs.html and click on any of the blue links, or contact the coordinator for the = show/event listed below with which you are interested in helping. Here are the upcoming events with which we need YOUR help: a. RICHMOND http://www.cegunshows.com, July 12-13 Saturday, July 12 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, July 13 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the = Showplace in Mechanicsville. b. SALEM http://www.cegunshows.com, July 19-20 Saturday, July 19 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, July 20 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Salem. c. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, July 25-27 Friday, July 25 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, July 26 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, July 27 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. = 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact our Northern Virginia coordinator at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org= to help in Chantilly. d. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, August 2-3 Saturday, August 2 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, = August 3 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact TJ Parmele at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Dale City. e. RICHMOND http://www.showmasters.us, August 9-10 Saturday, August 9 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, = August 10 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the = Richmond Raceway Complex. f. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, August 16-17 Saturday, August 16 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, August 17 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Roanoke. g. VIRGINIA OUTDOOR SPORTSMAN'S CLASSIC http://www.vaoutdoorsportsmensclass= ic.com/ , SALEM CIVIC CENTER, August 22-24 Friday, August 22 12:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. 4:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, August 23 10:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Sunday, August 24 10:00 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. 2:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. The VCDL table is being paid for again by Grahme Anderson, Empire Siding And Windows, Roanoke. Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows*v= cdl.org to help at this big show in Salem. h. HARRISONBURG http://www.showmasters.us, August 23-24 Saturday, August 23 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, August 24 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact Bob Schmidt at Shenandoahgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Harrisonburg. i. NORFOLK http://www.showmasters.us, September 6-7 Saturday, September 6 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, September 7 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact Ron and Jean Hyson at Norfolk-VBgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the Norfolk Scope. j. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, September 12-14 Friday, September 12 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, September 13 9:00 = a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, September 14 10:00 a.m. = - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact our Northern Virginia coordinator at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org= to help in Chantilly. k. HAMPTON http://www.guns-knives.com, September 20-21 Saturday, September 20 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, September 21 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact Ron Lilly at HamptonRoadsgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Hampton. l. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, October 4-5 Saturday, October 4 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 5 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact TJ Parmele at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Dale City. m. SALEM http://www.cegunshows.com, October 4-5 Saturday, October 4 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 5 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Salem. n. VIRGINIA BEACH http://www.guns-knives.com, October 11-12 Saturday, October 11 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 12 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact Ron and Jean Hyson at Norfolk-VBgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Virginia Beach. o. RICHMOND http://www.cegunshows.com, October 18-19 Saturday, October 18 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 19 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the = Showplace in Mechanicsville. p. FREDERICKSBURG http://www.guns-knives.com, October 25-26 Saturday, October 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 26 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Contact Robert Herron at Fredericksburggunshows*vcdl.org to help in Fredericksburg. q. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, October 25-26 Saturday, October 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, October 26 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Roanoke. r. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, November 1-2 Saturday, November 1 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 2 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact our Northern Virginia coordinator at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org= to help in Dale City. s. NORFOLK http://www.showmasters.us, November 1-2 Saturday, November 1 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 2 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact Ron and Jean Hyson at Norfolk-VBgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the Norfolk Scope. t. RICHMOND http://www.showmasters.us, November 15-16 Saturday, November 15 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 16 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows*vcdl.org to help at the = Richmond Raceway Complex. u. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, November 21-23 Friday, November 21 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, November 22 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 23 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Please contact our Northern Virginia coordinator at NOVAgunshows*vcdl.org= to help in Chantilly. v. HAMPTON http://www.guns-knives.com, November 29-30 Saturday, November 29 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 30 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Please contact Ron Lilly at HamptonRoadsgunshows*vcdl.org to help in Hampton. ------------------------------------------- ***************************************************************************